Is it profitable to launch an image based website?

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December 20, 2017, 9:46 pm

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Is it profitable to launch an image based website?

I am thinking to launch a website that is something like instagram or pinterest? Do you see any profits on such site? can you monetize a site with adsense and amazon that is only image based?

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kammy143

kammy143

I think that there is a lot of image based sites on the market today that as already made a mark in the industry. Sites such as tumblr, instagram, snapchat and may more. I think that you are going to have a challenge wen it comes to competing with such sites. There is profit on such sites but it's gonna be a challenge to engage on audiences.

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vinaya

vinaya

Having a unique concept is the main issue related to the image-based site. The concept should not be a copy of instagram, pinterest or any other site.
Monetizing is another issue. Since advertisers like adsense do not approve image-based site and you need text on your site, monetizing will be difficult.

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kammy143

kammy143

I feel you brother. I do believe that adsense has already placed strict limitations when it comes to magnetization and it is quite a bummer, might I add.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Seriously, this is getting tough by the day but definitely we will be just up and equal to whatever they throw at us.

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vinaya

vinaya

Adsense is the best advertising network because you can use it for a small, medium and big website alike. The entry criteria can be tough and a lot of people get rejected. UNless you have thousands of visitors on your website, you may not earn well through adsense. The only alternative to adsense is media.net, however, you need at least 50k views to get approved for media.net.

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cmoneyspinner

cmoneyspinner

Since we now have sites like Instagram and Pinterest there seems to be no reason for launching an image-based website.

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vinaya

vinaya

I disagree. There was myspace, why zuckerberg had to launch facebook? There were messenger and viber, why whatsapp and snapchat, even telegram had to be launched?
However, I don't mean to say my website has a potential to grow big like instagram and pinterest or even give a competition to these websites.

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cmoneyspinner

cmoneyspinner

Well I thought about this again and my Tumblr microblogs are primarily image-based. I am trying to use Tumblr to generate income. It's a slow process but not an impossible one.

6 years ago

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Definitely yes, there will be a stiff competition in such sector but I believe it's well known to him before thinking of starting up such site. Maybe he's got something we all don't know up his sleeve. I hope things work out well for him on the task.

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Baburra

Baburra

I agree. I think those companies have a lot of backing behind them so going against them you really have to present something unique to the public or have as much backing at least to compete. However, having an image site doesn't necessarily mean you have to compete in those markets either. I think aiming for something smaller in this case can also be a practical choice and possibly even a successful one.

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treecko142

treecko142

I agree, image-based websites are saturated already and you need to have something new to be considered a competitor in this industry.

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Tronia

Tronia

Anything is profitable if you can make it work but with that being said, image-based websites such as Instagram are quite popular right now. That is good but it's also bad because it means that you will have quite a lot of competition. Beating the "big guys" will take a lot of effort, time and probably money. People won't use image-based websites unless they find them credible and trustworthy.

So, yes, you can monetize it but it won't be an easy thing getting it popular.

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vinaya

vinaya

I understand the competition. If I want to launch an image website, I need to come up with unique concept and not copy from the existing popular image based social media sites like pinterest and instagram. I referred to these to illustrate my point.
How do we monetize image based site. I mean adsense does not appect the site that is only image based. What are the other options.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

It's definitely going to take a lot of time, hard work, dedication and commitment to get such site popular just like Instagram or other pictures related websites that trends well today.

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Rumu

Rumu

Most definitely. It's going to take way more than hard work. But eventually with all said and done, i think it will turn out great.

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Barida

Barida

I would advise you take your time to research more about how other sites that are in the same category make their money and use those ideas to make things work on the site you're planning to launch. In addition, try as much as you could to make a mobile version of it as well.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Well said @Brida, a good detailed research would be needed for a better work to be done, and putting up such site to have mobile version would make it easier for more people to patronize and participate in it.

This is because lots of people are now more comfortable with using mobile devices and it's going to be easier access for them to such sites.

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mildredtabitha

mildredtabitha

There are profits on such sites. Don't invest too much if you are not sure. You should invest what you can afford to lose. I will recommend you get tips from those working on blogs of your interest.

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Barida

Barida

Getting tips from those owning blogs can be a sure way to see how profitable an idea can be, but it is also important we note that sometimes, going on to do something different might payoff at the end.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Well, from my standpoint, if one isn't ready to lose, such person is never going to earn more. It's the modus operandi of most business minded people. So therefore, it's advisable to make up one's mind to lose before thinking of earning.

You are also right in referring to getting tips from other whom are already in the process before you, there advice and suggestions would be priceless.

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mildredtabitha

mildredtabitha

But losing everything can kill someone's spirit or make them lose hope completely. They might even be afraid to try again in future.

Investing what you can afford to lose is the best. You don't need stress to pay loans especially if you borrowed more for your new business.

when you invest little and you see things going in the right direction, you will add more to the business too.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Yeah, taking things like that little by little is more appropriate because it's a new investment, and there is no telling how things are going to pan out. So it's wise to go slow and see how it goes before taking a giant leap in the increasing of investment on such site.

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vinaya

vinaya

@mildredtabitha you make an interesting point. When you are starting a website or any businesses, you need to invest. How much to invest should be the first question you should ask yourself. You should never invest the amount that you cannot afford to lose. I have a brick and mortar business, I financed the business through a bank loan. I invested a lot of money on this business. If it fails, I will have to sell my asset to clear the loan.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Wow, bank loans? That's huge, I really hope that your investments pull through so that you don't have to lose your assets to banks.

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kammy143

kammy143

I would not really recommend going all out until i see good results which will assure me that I'll get my money back. Doing such thing is really a gamble, but loans within that early stage is quite a very big risk to take.

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vinaya

vinaya

My brick and mortar business is a legit business. It is a registered business, I maintain accounts and audit regularly and pay tax. My business owns fixed assets.
I also have an online business, however, my online business is not registered, it does not have a legal entity. I might register these businesses someday when I begin to make a lot of money, however, until then I will not consider registering. I have invested money in this business and I work for the business seriously.
If you do not take risk, you will never make money

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Judas2018

Judas2018

I think a new image uploading site would be a better investment. Many people still need quality image hosts. You're going to have a hard time grabbing the already existing Instagram or Snapchat market without something new and attractive to lure them in.

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Tronia

Tronia

But the image hosting website is also quite hard to popularize. Why would somebody choose a brand new, unfamiliar site over something as popular as Imgur? Or any other options. I can list at least 4-5 picture uploading sites from the top of my head. It isn't an easy niche.

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vinaya

vinaya

reusing the concepts from existing site is not on my cards, I am thinking about image-based blogging, a site where users can create photo story, not just share images.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

Not really. When people are searching for a website to upload and then link an image - they don't care about brands or names really. Some people may feel safer with a host they've used in the past. Or have become attached to - but there are many, MANY people who rotate 3 or 4 different image hosting sites for their images. For different reasons. As long as your image hosting site loads fast, does what the visitors need it to do, and your image links don't "time out" any if at all - you will slowly see your site become very popular.

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vinaya

vinaya

You make an interesting point and I tend to agree with you. These people are not any more caring about the brands. They will use a site that they find easy to use. facebook is a giant social networking site, however, there are many people who are not using facebook. In my observation people, mostly youngsters lose traction with established sites.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

No one knew of Snapchat when Instagram was highly trending until Snapchat take a huge leap, and today almost all ladies out there are into the use of Snapchat.

What one needs is to find a spice up for his or her new picture website and before you know what's happening, it's going to be like Snapchat.

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vinaya

vinaya

Agreed. When Myspace was trending, no one thought another social media site will outrank myself, however, facebook did. Google + was launched as a competition to facebook, it has everything that facebook has, still Google + is not as popular as facebook. You never know what will become popular and what will not.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

Google+ is far more business oriented than Facebook. Which is perhaps why it's not as popular. Linked In has a hold on most of the business oriented people who are or aren't also on Facebook. Google Plus I think is mostly where people collect follower accounts but rarely post anything. Even though peoples google accounts are connected to so many different things.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

@Judas2018 I have actually made use of Google+, it's a cool business social platform but I'm more disposed to using Facebook. I have carried out advertising of links of pyramid schemes I happened to handle.

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vinaya

vinaya

You need to have a unique concept in order to succeed. Google + is similar to Facebook, all facebook features are available on google +, yet, Google + is not as successful as Facebook. If anyone creates a program similar to Twitter, it might never succeed. Copycat does not succeed. Here lies the importance of unique concepts.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

I've managed to make use of it also. To an extent but google announced about a month ago, that they're shutting Google Plus down sometime soon. I guess it's the end for G Plus.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Exactly, the only thing that will hold one from succeeding is not making a first step in doing anything. But once the step is taken, with determination and persistent, I definitely believe that such person would succeed.

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vinaya

vinaya

You never know what will succeed and what will not. You will know whether the venture is profitable or not only when you actually start on it. I never though I would be designing websites 8 years ago when I decided to do online writing. I was doing good with writing for newspaper and I though online writing will benefit me. Online writing is still profitable, but more profitable is website designing.

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Baburra

Baburra

I agree. I think there are right steps you can take to make you have the edge but you never really know until the product is released to the market. Most of the copies of existing services that I have seen that have come out and failed more often than not you can see failing a mile away because there is something lacking that is obvious but when done right you can make for good competition even for the biggest existing sites or businesses.

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SiamSEO

SiamSEO

Exactly. And this is why you can take an existing idea, but you need to add your own twist to it in order to make it succeed. As an example, just general image site would just sink into the sea of mediocrity, but focusing on a specific niche would be a major help for people working in that niche and thus finding the content easier. This is why stock image sites started to grow before.

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vinaya

vinaya

In order to succeed in the business, you need to copy from the successful businesses. You never know whether the entirely new idea will work or not. Working on the secondary idea will have less risk factor. However, copying does not mean copying the whole business model. Copying means implementing their best strategies such as features, marketing, promotion etc. If you want an image sharing site, you need to make it unique as well.

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Baburra

Baburra

I agree with you that image hosting is probably very profitable and it's most likely why I've seen many sites come and go giving pretty much the same generic service. If you are looking to build a brand that is something similar to Instagram or Pinterest then that is a different story altogether as you have to provide something unique and you'd have to define and cater to your market very well.

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Rumu

Rumu

Off course it is. Your question reads launching a "website that is something like facebook, instagram", I don't think I need to say much on this post as everyone knows the worth of those like sites, money wise I mean.

To the subject on if you can monetize an image base website using Google adsense and amazon via your website is definitely a yes answer. Any site these days can be monetized. I've seen short links being monetized too. Go to sites like Flickr and you'll have a better understanding of what you are asking. Or better still, do a research on Google on the processes and steps on how to on the said subject, am sure you'll come up with all the answers you need from starting the website all the way to earning from it.

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Barida

Barida

In as much as the poster could monetize such sites, it is necessary he/she understands the rudimentary aspect of it to avoid making mistakes at the end of the day.

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vinaya

vinaya

My question was not in any way related to launch an exact copy of pinterest or instagram. I mean to ask whether creating an image based site is lucrative or not and how easy it is to monetize image-based site. By monetization I mean whether we can use ad networks like adsense and amazon.
In my experience, amazon does not care about your site content, however, for adsense you have to follow a set of guidelines.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

I think pretty much any site can join the adsense program so long as you have content to show for it. Adsense judges sites based on content. So your image site would have to either be an image host or have many members sign up to upload their own images. Enough members so the site looks busy. But you also need to realize, sometimes web visitors don't like ads. So if you're gonna run ads, they should be placed where they don't annoy visitors or greatly interfere with their user experience.

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Rumu

Rumu

I said Flickr not instagram. Flickr is an image based website. Res through the comment carefully andbfind me making refrence to it and also askig you pay a visit to the sitr if you ain't yet familiar with it.

As to monetization, i clearly stated that any site these days can be monetized. I even made reference to short links being monetized too.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

I believe adsense would be just perfect for you if you can be able to meet up with its requirements. What plans do you have so far for the site? Have you made any concrete steps towards it's actualiza or are you thinking cooking up what you want to do?

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vinaya

vinaya

In my experience, you cannot use adsense of your website is primarily all images. Therefore, adsense does not work for the sites like pinterest or instagram. In order to use adsense you need at least 300 words. If you want to use adsense on image based site, you need to fulfil this requirement.

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Rumu

Rumu

Looks like we're getting things mixed up here. Adsense program goes with all types of websites though they tend to reject new applications coming from sites with less words and more pictures. Still, that doesn't mean an existing adsense account won't work on a new all image based website.

You made reference to 300 words before you can get accepted into the adsense program on an all image based website, correct me if am getting it wrong. Where you planning on launching an all image website without words? If no, then I think we understand each other now.

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Rumu

Rumu

Looks like we're getting things mixed up here. Adsense program goes with all types of websites though they tend to reject new applications coming from sites with less words and more pictures. Still, that doesn't mean an existing adsense account won't work on a new all image based website.

You made reference to 300 words before you can get accepted into the adsense program on an all image based website, correct me if am getting it wrong. Where you planning on launching an all image website without words? If no, then I think we understand each other now.

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Rumu

Rumu

Looks like we're getting things mixed up here. Adsense program goes with all types of websites though they tend to reject new applications coming from sites with less words and more pictures. Still, that doesn't mean an existing adsense account won't work on a new all image based website.

You made reference to 300 words before you can get accepted into the adsense program on an all image based website, correct me if am getting it wrong. Where you planning on launching an all image website without words? If no, then I think we understand each other now.

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vinaya

vinaya

Something like Pinterest or Instagram, where the image does not have a lot of desctiption. However, if you have too many images but less words, adsense will not accept you. Therefore adsense will not work on the sites like pinterest or instagram. However, if the images are accompanied by at least 300 words and there are a lot of such posts, there will be no problem.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Just like you pointed out, Instagram is a good one and it's rocking very well. I would suggest that you take time and get all the necessary facts on how best to go about it and you will definitely come out with a good merchandise.

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Barida

Barida

That was my suggestion as well which means that a pilot survey can be run on the idea and decision taken on whether it is a good way to go about it or not.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Yes of course your suggestion is quite good, surely a good survey would help throw more light on whether he should take a step forward or backward with the plan.

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

I am going to give it to you straight, and that is "I don't think you're going to make any money" Pinterest and Instagram are well-established websites with multi-millions of dollars in coding. And you have to ask your self, can I really compete with that? And most likely you are going to lose whatever you put into it.

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vinaya

vinaya

I appreciate you for being straight. If money making is on your card, you will have to think about your competitors. If you already have too many competitors, you might never succeed. However, I want to ask you something. There was myspace, what if Zuckerberg had thought, there is myspace and my facebook will never succeed?

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

@vinaya I love your optimism but just like I stated before, are you willing to go toe to toe with the kind of money needed to compete with Instagram and pinterest? Mack's Facebook and MySpace competition is made easy because Mark had the resources to compete with MySpace.

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vinaya

vinaya

@martinsx I like the way you illustrated this. Sometimes you don't have to compete with the "big ones" to succeed. There is Amazon, ebay, Alibaba, however, existence of these ecommerce sites have not stopped people from launching ecommerce store and make money by selling items.

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

How many e-commerce stores do you know that actually make any money? Because if it was that easy everyone would be doing it. And keep in mind a lot of what you read on the internet is made up facts and not true. People say whatever they want to say to make themselves look good. And I know your honest because you said that you invest $1,000 in an online store and didn't make a dime. And that's the way it is for 99% of the people out there.

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vinaya

vinaya

You have a point and I believe you when you say "a lot of what you read on the internet is made up facts" and " they say to make themselves look good." I have met a lot of people who claim to make 5 figure monthly income from a certain program yet they are posting on penny sites, their intention is just to have referrals under them. However, I see a positive side of online income. It is difficult, but I think it is doable.

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

You do have a point but keep in mind the server that you're going to need just to get started is going to be $500+ a month because you're going to need a ton of storage. And like I said you're going to be competing with multimillion-dollar companies that have an endless budget. And unless you have something really unique to offer people are just going to stick with their current image host.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

@Soulwatcher Your assessment is very blunt, I love such kind of people that are not going to mince words when it comes to telling the factual truth. It's not a hidden fact that the kind of competition in such sector is stiff, so therefore it's left for him to ask himself the question, " Am I ready to compete with every penny I have which should run in billions in order to meet the level of Instagram and pinterest?"

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

@Martnsx1 I am blunt because I hate to see people waste money. A lot of people have dreams of making it big on the internet and there is nothing wrong with that. But it becomes a problem when you invest a ton of money and end up losing all of your money. The simple fact is 99.98% of the websites out there don't make any money. And 98% of that 2% don't make enough money to make a living.

And as far as my Minecraft website goes it's just a hobby and I fully expect it not to make any money and I am never going to be able to get back what I put into it. If people want to make a website for a hobby and not care if they make money, that's one thing. But its crazy to put a ton of money into a website and expect some kind of return.

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vinaya

vinaya

Building website cannot continue to be a hobby because you have to pay for domain renewal, hosting renewal and another operational cost such as SEO or marketing. Therefore, I don't intend to make any website just for a hobby. It is true that most of my sites are not earning, however, I did not create these websites for fun, I wanted to make money and I was serious about this. As far as money making is concerned, I can put money on a project if I see any possibility of succeeding. However, this does not mean I am willing to spend $500 a month on a website that will have a lot of competition.

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

Keep in mind, your going to need huge storage drives, if you rent a server with a 1tb drive and you website is even semi-popular your going to fill that 1tb drive in a week to a month tops and then your not going to be able to host any more pictures and then your website is going to die.

Another thing to consider is your going to need a ton of processing power and ram. Depending on how many hits your website gets it will cripple the server if you get too many requests over a certain period of time.

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vinaya

vinaya

I believe a lot of money is involved if you want to start an image sharing website. You need a lot of diskspace, a lot of bandwith, high speed servers etc. You need cloud hosting for such website and you will end up paying a lot of money for hosting.
Unless you have a strong financial back up launching an ambitious project like image based website, may not actually be advantageous.

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Baburra

Baburra

I have seen it happen so I'm going to say yes. When I was starting my blog I used to work with a community of bloggers and one of them had one that only had wallpapers in it. I was pretty sure that a lot of the images there were stolen so as much as I wanted to copy his system I just chose to do my own thing, but he was profiting from it. I am just doubtful that he would have been able to do it long term but I guess if you just use your own images then you certainly can make money off it and at the same time not worry that you will get banned by Adsense.

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

Definitely, some people are going in lifting other people's and fine tune it as if it's their original work. This is why copyright matters a lot in anything one is doing. Find a way to have a unique coding inscribed in your work so that anytime someone uses it, it's going to reflect as a lifted work.

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DarthHazard

DarthHazard

I mean it will be difficult but it does not mean that it is not impossible. There are a lot of brand new sites that are becoming extremely popular even though there are already similar sites that are already well established. However, an image based website might be a bit more difficult unless you try and do it for a certain niche like gaming or fashion for example. A general one might be a bit too difficult to grow

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Martinsx1

Martinsx1

It's really going to be a stiff competition for one trying to simply start up an image based website without a specific section for images that site should focus on.

I buy the idea you pointed out on channeling the site images to be gaming or fashion based. It's probably going to give it a chance of making a huge progress. Although on fashion, there is also a little bit of competition as well, take a look at Ankara sites and see what I'm talking about.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

I agree. Anything gaming or fashion related is going to be a hit on the web these days. You already have an audience out there that's built in - who crave fashion or gaming content. Now it's all about helping them find you on the net - and keeping them as visitors and customers.

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vinaya

vinaya

@I am going with @darthhazard. "Creating an image based website" is a very vague idea. We have to drill it down and create a niche, for instance, a website featuring images from the fashion world, or image-based website with pictures of babies. If we have a niche, we can surely create a market.

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Barida

Barida

You're right in the sense that trimming it down to a particular website will be a way to create interest in those that like such website.

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iamawriter

iamawriter

Unless one has a jet speed ISP no one has the patience to look at websites that are loaded with images. One should have images only if they help to understand the contents better and not to make it look artistic.

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vinaya

vinaya

IN that case, what do you think about Instagram and Pinterest. These are image based social medias which are very popular among users. Yes, if the website has too many images, it will load slow, but this does not mean image based websites will not be liked by the users.

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Judas2018

Judas2018

Users like any website with great functionality. Most websites have a clone or competition out there but the reason why some within a certain space fly, while others fail, is because of functionality. If your site is one of the fastest, smoothest and easiest to use, it'll find an audience.

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kaka135

kaka135

I think you can still make it profitable even if there are similar products out there as long as you have a great idea and strategy. Google is not the first search engine, and there were many popular search engine before Google, but the term Google has already become a synonym to "search". I believe there are still ways for you to make it if you want to, as only the sky is the limit.

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Soulwatcher

Soulwatcher

There is always room for more and yes people can succeed but it's not going to be cheap a $150 a month server is not going to get you very far these days. A 4k picture is going to be around 15mb and pictures that size is going to fill a hard drive with a quickness. And it's safe to say that if someone is going to use an image hosting service they are going to want original quality images or they are going to find an image host that offers it.

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vinaya

vinaya

You mentioned the very important point. For an image based website, we need a large diskspace and bandwith. It cost more money to host a website that has large database. Managing an image based website can be really expensive.

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DenisP

DenisP

I'm no financial/business expert so if I were you I wouldn't really take anything I say seriously. That being said, I don't really see launching an image based website as being profitable in the current market. The fact is that you'd be facing some ridiculously stiff competition. Instagram basically has a monopoly on things when it comes to image sharing, and at this point it would be like launching a new social networking site and trying to compete with Facebook. You'd most likely have to come up with something that is not only very original, but better and more convenient than what people already have. I'm not saying that you or someone else can't do this at some point, but I certainly could not.

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vinaya

vinaya

Competition is tough does not mean you cannot do it. Let me give you some examples. If you visit the library and bookstore you can see books on every topic you can imagine. Does this mean no one should write and publish books?
Instagram has a monopoly. You may never replace instagram, however, you still create a room for yourself. In the recent times, there is a surge on social media sites, however, we still have facebook and twitter. We can create our own market.

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Kakashi2020

Kakashi2020

Any Site that has a loyal following and attracts good traffic can easily be monetized. It all depends on your plans and setup. If you want to create picture based website like Instagram and Pinterest then better.

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EfficientNinja

EfficientNinja

I think it can still be profitable. It just depends on how your site will do against big competitors like those you've mentioned. It would take a unique concept and service to take them away from those popular services. Plus it could be costly because you're going to be using a lot of storage and bandwidth to store those thousands or millions of images.

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mdayrit

mdayrit

I think it is possible to earn on an image based website. I am guessing that it is like the website Flickr wherein people upload photos or videos and if they get approved, they have the chance to earn if somebody gets interested to use the photo uploaded for advertisements, presentation, print, etc. This is just the background about Flickr that I am aware since my husband also uploads photo and earn money there. So if you have the same idea about an image based website, then I think it can be profitable.

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jayjaydimson

jayjaydimson

Well, the website is so eye-catching if it has a photo on it. So I do prefer to have one.

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